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Patccmoi · Jun 14, 2006, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Hey, nice contest

Here are my 2 favorite Mesmer builds, here's hoping to see a decent Mesmer template someday!

MoR-Diversion-EDenial :

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-836.html

Crippling Mesmer :

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-838.html

Mighti · Jun 14, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

yay

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-835.html
Surely something like this already was posted but i love cripshot

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-839.html
no one carries enchremove in randomarena usually, that has to be changed!

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-837.html
forceful blow rawks

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-841.html
something defense-offense-ritualist like, dunno ^^

SnipiousMax · Jun 14, 2006, 08:57 PM // 20:57

I like that Dragon Slash build. When would you use it?

Beat_Go_Stick · Jun 14, 2006, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by JR-

Except they are both Mesmers with fast-casting, using arguably the best PvP hard-res in the game?

Heh, I missed that cmpletely *lol* You are right of course, 8 second res with a 14 in FastCast makes it more like 3.5 seconds.

RandomEngy · Jun 14, 2006, 09:55 PM // 21:55

I click on the rightmost star and it counts that as a "0"... something is certainly screwy with the evaluation here.

Furfoot · Jun 15, 2006, 06:52 AM // 06:52

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Originally Posted by RandomEngy

I click on the rightmost star and it counts that as a "0"... something is certainly screwy with the evaluation here.

Your vote is counted but it only displays the rating if a build has been voted on atleast 5 times.

Permasiel · Jun 15, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17

Sadly I fear a part of the community is abusing the votes.

How else can you explain a pure crap build like http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-757.html to get 3.1 average with 77 votes??

1 sup rune and 2 major runes, a life attunement that does nothing, and the only heal being divine favor. Either it's rigged, or some people seriously need to uninstall guild wars now.

Yanted · Jun 15, 2006, 01:15 PM // 13:15

Permasiel, you should'nt say that...

If you look all the first builds, they have an high number of votes.

This guy may have asked in his guild and alliance to vote for him, and that's not cheating, as far as I know.

Now, I wonder if u really tried that build...

I tried it yesterday and after few minutes of play...WOW ! I think it is a brilliant build !

I was sceptic because off one superior runes, and two major, but it allows him to make good smite and to use protection skills with a good score.

For life attunement, It probably the best idea of this build : in arenas 4vs4, the M always takes a lot of dmg. With this enchant, you can be fully healed with one reversal.

According to me, the main flaw of this build is the mana. You are oblige to use full ascetic armor in order to use skills in the best way.

Honnesty i try it and recommend you to try it too...don't forget that it is a smite build, not a boon prot or heal one.

Metanoia · Jun 15, 2006, 01:44 PM // 13:44

My contribution, such as it is.

Melandru's Wrath

I'm not sure how all this is realistically going to work though. There are just too many submissions to vote fairly. It's probably too late, but it might have worked better if EW cherry-picked the better ones and had a public vote on those select few.

Oh well, nice skills-builder anyway.

Edit: For example, the "Running Assassin" build which is currently top has Shadow Refuge with 0 Shadow Arts... not even a Minor Rune. ¬_¬

Permasiel · Jun 15, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

Yanted, say what you want, anyone with a decent level of play can see it's a really crappy build, and not because it's a smiting one. Skills are messed up : why bring judges when you don't know you're gonna have a warrior with you, why bring life attunement when all your healing is only the one tied to divine favor. Attributes are messed up : why sacrifice 75HP in order to heal for 12 more through divine and only gain 1s on air. And you said you're not a healing monk, so why no rez sig?

Since probably near 20 people have voted 1 star on that one, it means that nearly 50 people must have voted 5 stars for it, and sorry to say, those people should just uninstal.

JR · Jun 15, 2006, 03:22 PM // 15:22

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Originally Posted by Permasiel

Sadly I fear a part of the community is abusing the votes.

Looking at the current scores and popular builds, I can't help but agree. There is some absolute serious garbage. Normally it tends to sink down after a while, and the good builds endure, but it's still vastly dissapointing. At the moment a Touch Ranger is in the second spot...

Why submit or vote for builds that you should know EW will NEVER pick?

And the mentality of 'It's not my build, so i'll give it a 1!' is seriously annoying aswell. The top builds there are all just over a score of three at the moment, how is that right unless idiots are tanking them for the hell of it?

Let me go through a few of the not so hot ones, with the aim of helping people understand what I think is wrong with them:

Touch Ranger
A strong RA build yes, but I would rather not throw new players into this game with complete gimmicks that can take them no further than the lowest form of PvP going.

Smiter
The AoE Smiter would make a decent build, but this one is just messed up. Life Attunement? Hex Breaker please. A superior and dual majors? How long do you plan to last? Not to mention Protection and Divine Favor are very much secondary to the Smite with this build, and you certainly shouldn't be dropping Smite to raise them.

Support Ele
Not a terrible GvG Ele, but completely useless in any other form of PvP.

Utility Belt
In all honesty not that bad a build, but I just don't think it has enough of a purpose for a new player to get to grips with. It isn't going to have a particularly strong influnce on any games either.

Vengefull Blood Necro
For a start it has one skill that relies on a spirit being up; and no ability to lay spirits. It has no energy management, poor offense ability, weak defense ability... Not very usefull.

Tele Earth Ele
Weak energy management with skills that are either highly priced, or need to be spammed to make the most out of them. And to be quite honest the idea of PBAoE casters is really something that should be kept to Arena, not promoted through premades.

Zombie Warrior
Spreading disease without even the ability to keep it off yourself, let alone having it run rampant through your team. A serious gimp if the other team has more condition removal than yours.

Tudy's Degen Necro
A degen Necro with... one hex. An Elite hex, with no cover, a long recharge, and a fairly long cast. Not only that but Life Transfer simply is a bad elite, you could get far more bang for your buck by running Offering of Blood and spamming the more common degen hexes.

Modesty Blaze
At least this Necro had the decency to have more than one degen hex, so they could actually cover Life Transfer. However, it still is extremely sub par.

Rage-adin
A Battlerage Sword Warrior with Mending and Strength of Honor. I'm fairly sure I needn't say more.

Protection Monk
A Monk with a hard res in PvP? Even with weapon switching the energy side effects and cast time makes that ridiculous to put on a monk.

Firey Hammerspike
At first I thought this was a Warrior with Ele skills, then I realised it was an Ele with Warriors skills. A Hammer Elementalist, no less. That is really not the kind of impression we should be giving to new players of how to play this game.

Frozen Hammers
Same guy, Water Magic instead of Fire...

I could go on, and on, and on... but instead let me now highlight some of the great builds that have been submitted for premades.

Rehab Clinic
Quirky, but effective. Interesting use of the Assassin skills. Strong build for whatever arena of PvP, there will always be something you can spam Diversion on.

easy to play fire spammer
Again; a bit different, but very effective. Not something you would see in high level PvP, but strong enough to be good fun to run at lower levels.

Group Degen/Interrupter
Solid build, decent self sustainability. Not hugely original, but fun to play and viable through all levels of PvP. Less effective in HA, but that doesn't really bother me.

Archer's&Bodyguard's Friend Those who watched [Wi]Nox take on EvILs base NPCs in the play-offs should know how effective this build is. Being designed partly as a solo character it also has strong survivability for arena play.

Necro Hexer
Now this is a much stronger hex/degen Necro. Warrior hate, solid energy management, life steal, evade skill. Not particularly original, but decent.

There are many more terrible builds I could have mentioned, and a few more decent ones. There are also some builds submitted that are clearly a complete joke, which I think is a great way to piss all over the kindness of EW offering this opportunity to the community.

Take it seriously, think over any build you submit for a long time before you hit that button. And if you are voting people down just to try and raise up your build, you probably have no hope of being chosen anyway. Being in the top five at the end of the competition is not an instant win; EW are going to PICK one to use, and you can be sure they aren't going to pick garbage.

Regards,
-JR

MSecorsky · Jun 15, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43

Hey JR... since you seem to know what you're talking about...

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-696.html
http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-698.html

If you'd be so kind, I'm always open to constructive criticism, be it brutal or gentle.

Of course, open adulation is also welcome.

If you don't wish to be bothered, that's just as well. no worries.

JR · Jun 15, 2006, 04:21 PM // 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Hey JR... since you seem to know what you're talking about...

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-696.html
http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-698.html

If you'd be so kind, I'm always open to constructive criticism, be it brutal or gentle.

Of course, open adulation is also welcome.

If you don't wish to be bothered, that's just as well. no worries.

Your first build is a PvE build, and with no disrespect to it intended; it has no place in this competition. These are the PvP premade templates that are being discussed.

The second build is stronger, Plague Touch being a good addition. However it does lack a self heal, which is somewhat important.

To be honest (although my experience does not really lie with Assassins) I think the Assassin build in my above post is about as strong as they come. It quite simply is an effective combo, with a decent amount of sustainability. The exhaustion from Shock probably wont be that easy for new players to get to grips with, but I think it is a lesson that will benefit them.

GranDeWun · Jun 15, 2006, 04:54 PM // 16:54

A question:
Can pre-builds have elites? Do any of the existing pre-builds have them?

JR · Jun 15, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by GranDeWun

A question:
Can pre-builds have elites? Do any of the existing pre-builds have them?

Yes they should, and yes they do.

MSecorsky · Jun 15, 2006, 04:56 PM // 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR-

Your first build is a PvE build, and with no disrespect to it intended; it has no place in this competition. These are the PvP premade templates that are being discussed.

The second build is stronger, Plague Touch being a good addition. However it does lack a self heal, which is somewhat important.

To be honest (although my experience does not really lie with Assassins) I think the Assassin build in my above post is about as strong as they come. It quite simply is an effective combo, with a decent amount of sustainability. The exhaustion from Shock probably wont be that easy for new players to get to grips with, but I think it is a lesson that will benefit them.

Apologies, I didn't realize this was purely for PvP...

Your assassin build isn't bad... but your offhand requires a knockdown to hit or your chain is ended before it really begins, I'd worry about that (but probably unnecessarily). I suppose the odds on a target having knockdown protection are limited though, so should be safe for most cases. But with that combined with the exhaustion factor (every 10 secs or so) I'd question if this is a prebuild newer folks could handle without running away.

GranDeWun · Jun 15, 2006, 05:00 PM // 17:00

Anyone else have this problem with listing builds on the site?

If I apply a filter, and it returns multiple pages, the filter is lost as soon as I attempt to go to another page.

JR · Jun 15, 2006, 05:04 PM // 17:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by MSecorsky

Apologies, I didn't realize this was purely for PvP...

And pray tell what good would PvE premades be? Considering they are... PvP characters.

MSecorsky · Jun 15, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR-

And pray tell what good would PvE premades be? Considering they are... PvP characters.

The impact of the logic of that statement has left me dazed for 5...12 seconds.

IllidanIcerage · Jun 15, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

Monk Vandal, almost the same build I've been using with my Mesmer since Pre-Searing. (I added Energy Spike and a couple others since then I think)
I brought my PvE build in to PvP as a joke and started tearing apart casters

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-933.html

I think it is about time for a new Minion Master build now :P

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-935.html

Hey, you have to start somewhere with a Ritualist

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-938.html

If your going to have a character that uses Water Magic, why not go to the top. I present, the Super Soaker

http://www.curse-gaming.com/en/guildwars/build-939.html